That is lazy work.

If some one wants to use all their 25m to get a sentry droen so he can shot at a pos faster. Let him do it.

Artificial magical limitations are not good game design.

Sentries problems are simple. They are the long range counterparts for drones. But they do not have the same drawbacks as other long range systems.

They must track as badly as 1400mm, 425mm rails etc.... THEN no one will deploy them to fight someone at 20 km.

and this would fix ishtars roamers in null, right.

Just pay attention on how far a geddon can project damage without usign ANY of his high slots!!!!

Well it's still about 60km more than any BS if left without any high...

And like I keep saying if you dont fix the ishtar NOW, any sentry rebalance is doomed to failure on some level.

So how to we kick the ishtar down to domi power levels?

Exaclty.... they can dish 60 km range about same DPS than long range guns can dish on ships without range bonus. All taht without usign a SINGLE high slots or fitting.

hardly long range? That is about the range of a 1200mm...

'surely you are joking' (yes pun, shocking I know) but I'll take my rail Eagle that pushes out 800dps at ludicrus range and ludicrus tracking erry day..

Wait, are we running in circles now??

- while sentries are fine, 5 of them on a cruiser hull is not fine. Their damage and projection is beyond silly compared to other medium weapon systems. a Vaga does not do BS lvls of dps, neither does a Zealot, Deimos, Cerb or any other HAC and they certainly don't have their projection (they may have the range but lack the dps). The odd one out is of course the Ishtar. Capable of doing 750@50m and 620@120km (depending on fit of course but for some uses those are factual numbers), that's just moronic levels of projection. Yes, drones have their own problems yaddayadda but no problem is bad enough to make those numbers defendable.

If you start using OH numbers for that cerb you'll have to also use OH numbers for its BS counterpart; the Raven. And then the Raven does a lot more dps.

We're talking about sentries, which *kinda* indicates ranged engagements where your lol blasters won't work. And if your sole reasoning is "Domi can fit one more DDA and this makes it clearly superior, countering the 'Ishtar is too good, it compares too well to its BS counterpart'" then I have news for you; you're a hypocrite, you're trying too hard and no one is falling for it.

That's funny, your 589 dps is the exact number you get when you use fury and OH. There is no other way to get even remotely close to that dps number at ~100km. You could get close to it if you'd use a silly fit or include the awesome dps gain from those 3 lights and somehow assume they apply damage at 100km.

589 is the exact number with using Fury, OH and 3 bcs.

Because the Ishtar has 5 lows whereas the Cerb has 4, if this needs to be explained to you then just stop now. Also, go compare your rof rigged & implanted dps to a Raven that does the same, guess what... the Raven does more.

Exactly. My point previously about fury was they are some fine EFT DPS but the application is absolutely dismal. Unless, like I said it's a mwd shield tanked BC+

Cerberus isn't even in the same league as an Ishtar - but then, not should it be. Could still use an application bonus though as with only two rig slots that really hurts

HML can't even hit inside their own size class remotely properly. Sentries tear up EVERYTHING. Leaving the weapon behind is advantageous as you can pull and keep the enemy in its optimal - or force them to lose point. It's hardly a severe disadvantage and one trivialised further by being able to restock post battle via depots. You can carry plenty for any normal engagement.

It is suggested in the original suggestion that the medium drones are balanced for damage and hit-points completely differently from the gila, rather than I repost it all, you will see that there is still a role for all of the applicable drones rather than making any one choice an automatic default due to it being the only effective one.

I think with the recent drone changes you should just limit the bonuses to like sized drones.

IE.
Frigs/Dessies = Light Drones
Cruisers/BC = Medium Drones
BS = Heavy AND Sentry Drones
Carriers = Fighters
Supers = Fighters/Bombers

Ships will still be able to field other sized drones (ex. Ishtar using Sentries) but they will be non-bonused.

I think this hits the most birds with one feather. It will reduce Carrier proliferation somewhat (especially in conjunction with the Assist change) and it will give drone battleships a unique utility in the sense they would be the only class with good up/down damage via sentries, and the changes to drone assist help alleviate potential over use of Domis again.

If you truly want drones to be a weapon system like turrets and launchers, then you need to break down the sizes and bonuses them accordingly like all other weapon types.

(Needless to say we hardly ever see full bandwidth 125 Mbps T3)

PVE is just agriculture.. that does not make develop coutrnies focus in agriculture instead of industry to be developed....


And no PVE is no where near 90% of eve. Not in terms of player iteraction and attention at least. A LOT of the PVE players could be replaced by artificial injections of isk into the systems. THey are nothign mroe than sad scripts on the database that popualte economywith some zeroes.

Industry is PvP. Who do you think your selling to? And who are your competitors? Have a look at the wider picture, take your mind outside the box.

Which is exactly what miners are doing. Go try mining White Glaze in Haleima and see how competitive it is to get a reasonable amount. It's PvP just without shooting each other. This is nowhere near outside the box, it's not even crawling it's way through the packing beads...